does anyone here who goes to meetings know of anyone who comes to their meetings after being contacted on the trolleys?
anyone hear of a real bible study from these carts?.
exaggerations from the assembly platform or jw urban myths do not count!.
It's a numbers game, no matter whether you're offering free home bible studies or selling white washed graves, if you put it out there for the public to see and you keep at it long enough, somebody's gonna' bite. Just look at the Pontiac Aztec....one of the ugliest cars ever made yet they sold millions of them.
And this is all the more so true when you are using the free labor of 8 million people as well as their donated money, to keep the whole thing afloat.
how many here have been asked the loyalty question by an elder.
i am referring to, "do you believe that jehovah is using the faithful and discreet slave class to accomplish his work?
" or something along this line?.
"Do you believe that Jehovah is using the faithful and discreet slave class to accomplish his work?"
Ask him if he means are you loyal to the current "slave" or the ones from the past who had completely different understandings of key doctrines such as Blood Fractions. After all , it could be the difference of life or death in an emergency.
last night i ran into a former elder friend, he is in his late 70s.
he asked how i was doing and i asked how he was doing.
then out of the blue he tells me; .
It seems to me that the overlapping that is going within the organization these days isn't between groups of anointed ones, rather it's between the group made up of new ones coming in, the group made up of ones who can't leave or are still believers for now and the group of individuals who are one foot away from or already in the exit door.
They are all JW's at the moment and their time as JW's is running concurrently but each group overlaps the other at some point .
It's like a revolving door where at any given time period there are people entering the spinning door, people circling inside it and people choosing to exit on their own or who are being spit out the other side . They are all current users of said revolving door but they are at different stages of that use.
due to circumstances right now i cannot leave permanently the watchtower, however i need honest advice of what to say when elders question me how come im not meeting the group out for door to door & going out in " field service"... what would be proper responses not to draw suspicions since i'm aware of ttatt.. .any serious advice please...
You: Come to think of it, I suppose I have been missing a lot lately haven't I ? (not a lie )
Them: Blah Blah Blah...Life saving never to be repeated work, end is near,
You: Thanks Brothers....I'll consider your advice and I suppose it would be best to make this a matter of prayer. ( )
OR:
You: I was having eye problems last Saturday....
Them: Oh really ??
You: Yeah....I just couldn't see going out in Service.
first let me tell you about george (his real name) the special pioneer.
not that good looking...a bit goofy, he had spiritual sisters literally ask him to date and flutter eyelids because of his positon.
he always made excuses about why sisters were "not his type"...had a bedroom full of pics of him hugging other brothers with a content strange look on his face....like this is my girlfriend look!
enjoy my wife's "company" when at 11 am there is a knock, peeking thru the blinds i see it's George the stud muffin...with brothers though! AWKWARD!
They have some really good electronic Bible Detectors on the market now that can be mounted on your front porch in minutes !
But seriously, we had a brother in our Hall like the the one you described in your opening post. Since he was a little boy, everyone knew he was gay. Really nice guy but very effeminate, very bleached hair, talking with the sisters about their outfits, holding babies etc...so what..big deal.
When he was about 19 though, surprise surprise, he got engaged to a heavy set young sister who seemed elated with the arrangement. Everyone just scratched their heads and said nothing. When talking about the day his Son announced his engagement, his Elder Dad said " YES!!!! I knew he was a Man !!!
They had 2 kids in a relatively short time but he got DF'd and divorced and is now married to another guy. His 2 kids are in their teens and seem to really love and accept their Dad. The exwife is still single but they are on good terms. It's good that they are making the best of the situation but it goes to show you what happens when people can't be honest about themselves.
just on of the perks of being an apostate who is married to a branwashed, blinded jw woman.
you know, we have been married for ~27 years....most of which we had nothing to do with the piece of shite cult.
up till the begining of 2014 was when i woke up.
i guess she doesn't want to be plagued with my apostate disaese.
Your wife must want to become intimate with you again on her own rather than because she was pressured, guilted or talked into it.
It could be something else, but you likely are right about her being resentful about you no longer wanting to be a JW. Remember, she's got a whole head full of JW induced fears, notions and anxieties about marriage, marital roles, sex, life, death and big picture issues, rattling around in her head. You calling it quits as a JW is likely bringing them all to the forefront and nothing makes one feel less sexy or less like having sex, than fear, anxiety or resentment.
I'm guessing that by all you've said to her on the matter, she knows that even though you don't want to be a JW, you are willing to do whatever it takes to support her if that's what she wants and are anxious to get things back on track with your marriage. I've been married the same length of time as you have and here's what I'd do.
1. Unless she brings it up, I'd stop talking about wanting sex, he's well aware that you do. No one wants someone forcing food on them or inviting them to eat when they aren't hungry. It's the same with sex, if you aint' feelin' it....you aint' feelin' it. Forcing the issue makes it even worse.
2. I would stop talking about anything JW related unless she brings it up and I'd let her do most of the talking, only asking the occasional question in hopes she will see the nonsense in the patented JW answers she gives. Don't point out the flaws in her answers, just listen and consider what she's said.
3. I'd find subtle Tailor made ways to help revive her affection for you. I wouldn't do this because you want it to lead to sex, rather do so because you first and foremost, really do want her to feel "that way" about you once again and you want to make sure she knows you still feel "that way" about her too
As and example, here are a few of the simple things that I do that seem to go a long way with my wife. They are not intended to trick her into anything (sex). It's more a matter of reminding her that I know her better than anyone else and that I do pay attention to her and she matters. ( plus it's kinda' fun)
When my wife is a vulnerable position such as standing at the kitchen sink with her hands in soapy water, I come up behind her and softly kiss the nape of her neck just below her ear. Depending upon her reaction, I may smile and leave it at that and go on about my business or I may go one step further by pressing in a little, reaching around and grazing my fingertips along the front of her thighs and nibble on her ear. Usually I feel her knees falter or her breath quicken a bit and I know I'm on the right track. I give her a soft pat, gather her hair up and whisper in her ear, then become busy with something else and leaving her smouldering.
Throughout the day or even several days, I look for more opportunities to catch her in a position where she isn't able to respond to what I'm doing. Sometimes in a store or somewhere public with other people around, I absentmindedly let my hand slip off her shoulder and lightly graze the side of her breast or along the back of her arm. Without being obvious, I notice her reaction and if it's favorable, I may slide my hand slowly down her back letting my fingernails graze as they continue a little lower than they should in a public place. If she looks pleased but a little embarrassed, I know I'm on the right track but musn't go too far.
If we pass a jewelry or perfume counter for example, and something catches my eye I'll stop and walk backwards a few steps, pulling her with me and ask her what she thinks of it. Usually she likes what I've spotted but often sees something else even nicer. I pull her over to the mirror and look at her admiringly as she tries it on. Even if she only want's to look, rather than buy, she seems pleased that I am interested in things she likes (and I really am).
One thing she likes is for me to read aloud to her in bed. Sometimes if I happen upon something I know she'll like, I tell her about it . Expecting nothing in return, I encourage her to come get ready for bed early and I'll read it to her.
Usually on the weekends she makes a full on breakfast. Sometimes I put some music on and if I hear a song I know she likes, I slide the frying pan off the burner, spin her around and we slow dance around the kitchen. She laughingly protests that "breakfast will be ruined", but I know she's pleased. She must be well aware of what I'm up to after all these years, but I've never talked this to her about it. I know that doing so would ruin it.
What I'm trying to say is that I think your wife needs to be reminded that your marriage isn't defined by your being, or not being a Jehovah's Witness. Your consideration of her feelings by not saying anything negative about something she holds in high regard (JW's) , coupled with your genuine interest in her as a unique individual, will go far in rekindling the warmth in your relationship . Now that lack of sex has become an issue, you need to take the spotlight off sex itself, by looking for (genuine & honest) ways to make that nice part of your life together,overshadow the JW part that has become such an intrusion. Don't do it because you expect anything in return, rather because you enjoy making her happy.
do everything as god would do if he were present here.
this will attract his attention, and you will experience his invisible hands blessing everything you do, giving you results more than what you sowed.. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------.
hence put to the test the above, and then you can make really authentic comments!.
is correctly described in Deuteronomy 10:17 as “one who treats none with partiality,”
is this double talk or is it just me?
it's a comment in the sept 15, 2015 wt about higher education:.
11 today, we are blessed with much knowledge of jehovahs works of creation and the outworking of his purpose.
that was the question to me tonight.
because of their beliefs they have a moral compass, a net work of friends and a support group.
they have what they believe is a loving god.
is this double talk or is it just me?
it's a comment in the sept 15, 2015 wt about higher education:.
11 today, we are blessed with much knowledge of jehovahs works of creation and the outworking of his purpose.
The Bible, however, urges us not only to love knowledge but also to acquire wisdom and understanding. That means to learn how to use the knowledge that God has given us so that we can benefit ourselves and others.
I wouldn't call it double talk. You see, the Governing Body sincerely believes that instead of Jehovah's Witnesses seeking out higher education where the things they learn come from human sources, they can instead learn everything God wants mankind to know, from the Bible. You know.. such as how to perform Bypass surgery, how to make lenses for eye glasses, how to produce and use Insulin, how to produce electricity, how to identify viruses and develop vaccines. Let's not forget how the Internet technology that is used to spread their message on JW.ORG, came from the pages of the Bible. (P.S I'm sure the formula for the much used by JW's drug, Prozac came from the Bible as well)
